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Amy Awien · Aug 19, 2006, 09:13 PM // 21:13

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Originally Posted by Former Ruling

This is, BTW, why they have that part at the end saying "If you are going to take this agreement to court, you have to do it in Travis Country, Texas" Thisis because they know that the courts there are under their thumbs and will uphold the EULA (and the judges are probably on the companies payroll, if you know what i mean).

Absurd ... only in America?

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But EVEN THIS can be ruled against. It happened with Ebay's Paypal company. Their agreement says that any actyions against them have to be taken to 1 court in California, and when this guy sued Paypal, he acutally motioned, and WON, a suit that claimed this kind of "use this court only" agreement was not lawful and he got to sue thme in his own county's court and of course WON EASILY because his court isnt on Ebay's Payroll lol.. This is a famous case because it was the first time Ebay had actually lost a Suit.

Pff, at least justice exists elsewhere in the world. Did E-bay really believe such a clause could hold?

Loviatar · Aug 19, 2006, 09:13 PM // 21:13

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Originally Posted by Stockholm

The new EULA is to make sure you can not cancel the $6.95(thats what I got charged for it) monthly charge that PlayNC will charge evryone that have used the online store, since you now have a PlayNC support account, this will show up on the september CC statements, for those that used the store when it first came online.
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well, well, well

i got my cc statement covering the day of my slot purchase and guess what?

NO SERVICE CHARGE AT ALL JUST THE SLOT CHARGE.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN THIS?

The Pointless · Aug 19, 2006, 09:15 PM // 21:15

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A PlayNC Master Account can be created free of charge, with no obligation, and is used to manage billing and administration for all of your City of Heroes, Lineage, Lineage II and Auto Assault game accounts, as well as the Dungeon Runners beta. If you already have a PlayNC Master Account Login, please Sign-In below. If not, you can Join PlayNC to create a free login.

Stockholm, I'm beginning to think you have a personal vendetta against NC...

Centrius · Aug 19, 2006, 09:19 PM // 21:19

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Originally Posted by led-zep

if the eula is changed and you dont agree do you get a refund on your purchase since it is an altered contract (supposedly) from when you first agreed.
would laugh if thousands of people dont agree and demand money back.

Nope, when you first bought the game you agreed that ANET has the right to alter the "agreement".

Horseman Of War · Aug 19, 2006, 09:48 PM // 21:48

yeah... in regards to the OP--->

did you notice that it says they will delete ALL accounts with matching information?? Meaning if you have one account dedicated to farming/mule, your real account will be suspended as well!

Im scared!!! I dont even farm as it is, but now im too afraid to spam "CULT LF PPL TO JOIN OMG LOL PVP PVE etc" and district hopping copy paste, hop, paste, hop, paste, hop.... ack... dont confuse me with a bot!!!

Amy Awien · Aug 19, 2006, 09:55 PM // 21:55

Nope, that part was long after the sale.

Numa Pompilius · Aug 19, 2006, 10:16 PM // 22:16

Yeah, new EULA. Nothing unusual, although the bit about "we will eat your children" and forced worship of Satan was a bit over the top; I feel they had already covered most eventualities in section 14:vii-xxii where you agreed to sell your entire family into slavery. But, then again, IANAL.

Kook~NBK~ · Aug 19, 2006, 10:23 PM // 22:23

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Originally Posted by Stockholm

With this new EULA you can't do squat about the recuring charges that will show up as Play-NC support account,

What Nonsense! The EULA concerns the GAME that you installed on your computer, in this case Guild Wars, it has no bearing whatsoever on PlayNC accounts!

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Witch you never applied for but curtesy of PlayNC they still opend in your name with the credit card Info from the online store.(hence the NO CHANGE E-MAIL Policy)

If you never applied for recurring charges, they can be held liable for fraud if they do so, No reputable business would dare to do something that foolish! And WHAT "no change to e-mail policy?" Is that in the EULA for GW? Or is it a requirement for having a PlayNC account? If the latter, it has no bearing on GW!

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and now they have even made it legal to close your GW account if you close the PlayNC account.

More BS! I would suspect that most GW players don't even HAVE a PlayNC account. There is no requirement to have such an account and I'm sure that as soon as (like it will ever happen) they start requiring people to have a PlayNC account (if it requires giving out CC info) there'll be a mass exodus from the game.

Stockholm · Aug 19, 2006, 10:43 PM // 22:43

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Originally Posted by Kook~NBK~

What Nonsense! The EULA concerns the GAME that you installed on your computer, in this case Guild Wars, it has no bearing whatsoever on PlayNC accounts!

If you never applied for recurring charges, they can be held liable for fraud if they do so, No reputable business would dare to do something that foolish! And WHAT "no change to e-mail policy?" Is that in the EULA for GW? Or is it a requirement for having a PlayNC account? If the latter, it has no bearing on GW!

Originally Posted by Gaile
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Originally Posted by katya
Ouch. Personally, I wouldn't do that because if you ever need to answer an email sent for account management you're unable to do that.

However, I've been unable to find a way to change my Guild Wars game account email address recently. (I change mine + password every few months) With the advent of the store this option seems to have disappeared? Has anybody seen it?

I will try to find out about that. I was made aware of the fact just today -- that if you use the store, your account is in the PlayNC system, and that system seems to prevent changing the User Name. This is something we should either communicate about more clearly or amend, if possible.

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Originally Posted by Kook~NBK~

More BS! I would suspect that most GW players don't even HAVE a PlayNC account. There is no requirement to have such an account and I'm sure that as soon as (like it will ever happen) they start requiring people to have a PlayNC account (if it requires giving out CC info) there'll be a mass exodus from the game.

If they have used the online store they do now, the online store is managed by PlayNC

The Pointless · Aug 19, 2006, 10:46 PM // 22:46

OK, and what gave you this idea?

Like I said, you seem to have a personal vendetta against NC (An odd one if you still play GW) but you haven't even commented.

No idea what I mean?

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Character: "XXXXXX"
Guild: No way PlayNC, not me

What gives?

Stockholm · Aug 19, 2006, 10:48 PM // 22:48

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Originally Posted by The Pointless

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Stockholm, I'm beginning to think you have a personal vendetta against NC...

Not NC just PlayNC

I had to write them 3 times( thats not counting e-mails and phone calls) and put a pay stop on my CC for them to cancel my account, witch I never applied for. All I did was to take them up on a 14 day trial key to Linage, back then you had to give CC info for them to activate the trial account. Never got any charges for the game only monthly charges for the PlayNC account.

This had nothing to do with GW, it was Linage trial account that was cancelled( 24 hours after acctivation) according to NC-Softs directives, but charges for a PlayNC support account was charged and kept getting charged for even after I had disputed it with PlayNC.
So yes I have a vendetta with PlayNC

The Pointless · Aug 19, 2006, 10:49 PM // 22:49

But... Why?

If you're going to slag off something PLEASE give us a valid reason that can be proven.
[EDIT] and since PlayNC is owned by NC Soft, you are technically slagging off NC Soft...

VitisVinifera · Aug 20, 2006, 12:18 AM // 00:18

looks like the actual eula change might be innocuous, but still, it's NCSoft pulling the strings and Gaile, et al, often has to do the dirty work of relaying it in a positive light.

That being said, I'm as hardcore a player as most of the people here are, and if that PtP thing ever comes, that's the last I play anything made by NCSoft. Truth be told I've held off buying some games but that's recently changed -- got Elder Scrolls 4, Far Cry, and Call of Cthulhu a couple days ago (factions is boring as hell for the PvE'er).

Angelica · Aug 20, 2006, 12:21 AM // 00:21

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Originally Posted by Phaern Majes

Its like Kaguya said, it'd be a suicide move for them. I'd stop playing if they start charging monthly fees, and I know I'm not alone on that.

Right you are! I would do the same.

If I had to pay to play I will be the one to choose the game to play. GW is a nice game, but there are others.

Knightsaber Sith · Aug 20, 2006, 12:29 AM // 00:29

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Originally Posted by zhai

NC Interactive reserves the right to alter the fees payable for new Chapters or introduce alternative fee structures for the Service. Any alteration to the purchase price will be posted on the Web Site at least 30 days prior to such alteration taking effect. If you do not agree to any such alteration, you should not purchase the new Chapter and/or you should terminate your Account prior to the date on which the alteration takes effect, otherwise the revised amount will automatically be debited to your Account.

fees? What about "pay once, play forever"?

when they say "alternate fee structure", I think it refers to the pay for play they already have for GW in some asian countries

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10029533

eternal pho · Aug 20, 2006, 04:08 AM // 04:08

Well, if we did have to pay, you'd see a much larger pve world.

eternal pho · Aug 20, 2006, 04:12 AM // 04:12

Shouldn't worry about the "deleting accounts" rule if you're not gonna break any?

OMFGimCUTE · Aug 20, 2006, 04:19 AM // 04:19

hey did anyone actually read the agreement thing? i wanted to know what it siad but i just accepted and i asked other people but no one read it...

gojensen · Aug 20, 2006, 09:08 AM // 09:08

So, I didn't feel like agreeing to the new UA since they failed to specify what you changed. Lo and behold, I couldn't play the game anymore.

I would just like to inform you that this is illegal over here. You can not change an EULA/UA and deny the user access to what he already has paid for and used (in this case GuildWars Prophecies and Factions). You can change the EULA/UA for any new features (like the Character slots, or the upcoming chapters) - but what they are doing here is theft and illegal under most jurisdictions in the Nordic Countries. This got Apple and iTunes in hotwater (well part of it) with our governments - because if you denied their new EULA you couldn't play what you had bought. Same thing here.

I paid for GuildWars and GuildWars:Factions, they can not legally deny me the right to play these even if I don't accept your changed UAs.

And no, simply saying in the UA/EULA that you have the right to change it at will, doesn't make it so legally when you then deny players access if they don't accept their changes. What would happen if you suddenly wrote in the UA that everyone had to give you their car, their homes and all their money? Over the top I know, but you may get the point.

Furthermore, IN GAME UAs or UAs displayed while installing, or even included INSIDE a sealed container are not valid here. Any such "agreement" must be agreed upon before completion of the product... and if once opened the product can not normally be returned then the UAs is invalid.

For an international company they would do well to look beyond the anti-consumer and silly rules of the US of A.

But you folks all just click ok and sell your souls??

gojensen · Aug 20, 2006, 09:18 AM // 09:18

So, I didn't feel like agreeing to the new UA since they failed to specify what you changed. Lo and behold, I couldn't play the game anymore.

I would just like to inform you that this is illegal over here. You can not change an EULA/UA and deny the user access to what he already has paid for and used (in this case GuildWars Prophecies and Factions). You can change the EULA/UA for any new features (like the Character slots, or the upcoming chapters) - but what they are doing here is theft and illegal under most jurisdictions in the Nordic Countries. This got Apple and iTunes in hotwater (well part of it) with our governments - because if you denied their new EULA you couldn't play what you had bought. Same thing here.

I paid for GuildWars and GuildWars:Factions, they can not legally deny me the right to play these even if I don't accept your changed UAs.

And no, simply saying in the UA/EULA that you have the right to change it at will, doesn't make it so legally when you then deny players access if they don't accept their changes. What would happen if you suddenly wrote in the UA that everyone had to give you their car, their homes and all their money? Over the top I know, but you may get the point.

Furthermore, IN GAME UAs or UAs displayed while installing, or even included INSIDE a sealed container are not valid here. Any such "agreement" must be agreed upon before completion of the product... and if once opened the product can not normally be returned then the UAs is invalid.

For an international company they would do well to look beyond the anti-consumer and silly rules of the US of A.

But you folks all just click ok and sell your souls??

Aug 19, 2006, 09:48 PM // 21:48	#45
Horseman Of War Desert Nomad Join Date: Jun 2006 Guild: The Cult of Doom Profession: P/	yeah... in regards to the OP---> did you notice that it says they will delete ALL accounts with matching information?? Meaning if you have one account dedicated to farming/mule, your real account will be suspended as well! Im scared!!! I dont even farm as it is, but now im too afraid to spam "CULT LF PPL TO JOIN OMG LOL PVP PVE etc" and district hopping copy paste, hop, paste, hop, paste, hop.... ack... dont confuse me with a bot!!!

Aug 19, 2006, 09:55 PM // 21:55	#46
Amy Awien Forge Runner Join Date: Jul 2006 Profession: R/	Nope, that part was long after the sale.

Aug 19, 2006, 10:16 PM // 22:16	#47
Numa Pompilius Grotto Attendant Join Date: May 2005 Location: At an Insit.. Intis... a house. Guild: Live Forever Or Die Trying [GLHF] Profession: W/Me	Yeah, new EULA. Nothing unusual, although the bit about "we will eat your children" and forced worship of Satan was a bit over the top; I feel they had already covered most eventualities in section 14:vii-xxii where you agreed to sell your entire family into slavery. But, then again, IANAL.

Aug 19, 2006, 10:49 PM // 22:49	#52
The Pointless Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Stuck in the UK Guild: Rage International [RAGE] Profession: W/Me	But... Why? If you're going to slag off something PLEASE give us a valid reason that can be proven. [EDIT] and since PlayNC is owned by NC Soft, you are technically slagging off NC Soft...

Aug 20, 2006, 12:18 AM // 00:18	#53
VitisVinifera Banned Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Northern California Guild: HoTR Profession: N/Me	looks like the actual eula change might be innocuous, but still, it's NCSoft pulling the strings and Gaile, et al, often has to do the dirty work of relaying it in a positive light. That being said, I'm as hardcore a player as most of the people here are, and if that PtP thing ever comes, that's the last I play anything made by NCSoft. Truth be told I've held off buying some games but that's recently changed -- got Elder Scrolls 4, Far Cry, and Call of Cthulhu a couple days ago (factions is boring as hell for the PvE'er).

Aug 20, 2006, 04:08 AM // 04:08	#56
eternal pho Banned Join Date: Nov 2005 Guild: The Licious Fame Farmers {TLG} Profession: W/E	Well, if we did have to pay, you'd see a much larger pve world.

Aug 20, 2006, 04:12 AM // 04:12	#57
eternal pho Banned Join Date: Nov 2005 Guild: The Licious Fame Farmers {TLG} Profession: W/E	Shouldn't worry about the "deleting accounts" rule if you're not gonna break any?

Aug 20, 2006, 04:19 AM // 04:19	#58
OMFGimCUTE Krytan Explorer Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: a box Guild: I hop around Profession: W/D	hey did anyone actually read the agreement thing? i wanted to know what it siad but i just accepted and i asked other people but no one read it...

Aug 20, 2006, 09:08 AM // 09:08	#59
gojensen Academy Page Join Date: Jan 2006 Guild: GrNO Profession: W/Me	So, I didn't feel like agreeing to the new UA since they failed to specify what you changed. Lo and behold, I couldn't play the game anymore. I would just like to inform you that this is illegal over here. You can not change an EULA/UA and deny the user access to what he already has paid for and used (in this case GuildWars Prophecies and Factions). You can change the EULA/UA for any new features (like the Character slots, or the upcoming chapters) - but what they are doing here is theft and illegal under most jurisdictions in the Nordic Countries. This got Apple and iTunes in hotwater (well part of it) with our governments - because if you denied their new EULA you couldn't play what you had bought. Same thing here. I paid for GuildWars and GuildWars:Factions, they can not legally deny me the right to play these even if I don't accept your changed UAs. And no, simply saying in the UA/EULA that you have the right to change it at will, doesn't make it so legally when you then deny players access if they don't accept their changes. What would happen if you suddenly wrote in the UA that everyone had to give you their car, their homes and all their money? Over the top I know, but you may get the point. Furthermore, IN GAME UAs or UAs displayed while installing, or even included INSIDE a sealed container are not valid here. Any such "agreement" must be agreed upon before completion of the product... and if once opened the product can not normally be returned then the UAs is invalid. For an international company they would do well to look beyond the anti-consumer and silly rules of the US of A. But you folks all just click ok and sell your souls??

Aug 20, 2006, 09:18 AM // 09:18	#60
gojensen Academy Page Join Date: Jan 2006 Guild: GrNO Profession: W/Me	So, I didn't feel like agreeing to the new UA since they failed to specify what you changed. Lo and behold, I couldn't play the game anymore. I would just like to inform you that this is illegal over here. You can not change an EULA/UA and deny the user access to what he already has paid for and used (in this case GuildWars Prophecies and Factions). You can change the EULA/UA for any new features (like the Character slots, or the upcoming chapters) - but what they are doing here is theft and illegal under most jurisdictions in the Nordic Countries. This got Apple and iTunes in hotwater (well part of it) with our governments - because if you denied their new EULA you couldn't play what you had bought. Same thing here. I paid for GuildWars and GuildWars:Factions, they can not legally deny me the right to play these even if I don't accept your changed UAs. And no, simply saying in the UA/EULA that you have the right to change it at will, doesn't make it so legally when you then deny players access if they don't accept their changes. What would happen if you suddenly wrote in the UA that everyone had to give you their car, their homes and all their money? Over the top I know, but you may get the point. Furthermore, IN GAME UAs or UAs displayed while installing, or even included INSIDE a sealed container are not valid here. Any such "agreement" must be agreed upon before completion of the product... and if once opened the product can not normally be returned then the UAs is invalid. For an international company they would do well to look beyond the anti-consumer and silly rules of the US of A. But you folks all just click ok and sell your souls??